United Jumpseater Sparks Conflict with SWA, Igniting a Battle for the jumpseat 2024 | Listener in airline training wants advice to manage stress | How to ACE your LOE
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Manny:I don't know if that's your intent and just kinda start the conversation from there, you know, because I found out that sometimes when you communicate that, the person was not even aware they were doing that, and they'll back off a little bit.
ATC:Possible pilot deviation. I have a number for you. Adviser to 8 copy.
Daniel:Dude, this triple 7 has been really fun to fly. It's honestly just a bigger Embraer 175.
Manny:But the fact that they were sitting on that runway knowing there was a heavy coming their way, unacceptable.
Rachel:I'm from the central part, so I'm from a town. We have more cows than people where I come from. Very country.
Micah:The aches I have, I can go on. Number 1, when the jet bridge is pulled back and we're ready to push and you guys don't have your headsets on.
Patrick:Plan has to be perfect because you can't turn left. You can't turn right. The only way out of that if the pilot gets into a bad spot or if there's something that's, like, happened at the airport that shuts down a runway, the only way out is up.
Manny:United and Southwest Airlines are in the midst of a full out jump sea war. A FedEx crew lands a 767 in Turkey without the nose gear, giving advice to an airline pilot in training, and your airline checkride is coming up. How to better prepare and what to expect during your line oriented evaluation or LOE. This and more in today's episode. And now, ISRANCE trigger salty boomer captains across the industry.
Manny:Yours truly, Manny Ramirez. Time to get it on. No option but to get it on. Mandy, get it on. Everyone, welcome back to the show.
Manny:I am so pumped to talk about the stuff I'm gonna talk about today. I am fired up, guys. I am mad. I am losing control of my senses. It's just how fired up about this episode I am today.
Manny:I and I think you're gonna get, just as fired up as I am. So but first, I want to talk about here. I'm back in Vegas. It's really nice to be home. I've been away for about 2 weeks, 3 weeks or something or something like that, but I've been away for a while.
Manny:I've been, teaching. I've been flying. I've been seatsubbing. I've been doing a lot of stuff here and, but I'm really happy to be back. My mom is visiting from Mexico, my aunt, and, Jan's back from Europe, and, Jeff was back from his vacation and so he's, it's just nice to have everyone back in here in the house and, you know, my mom, you know, it's gonna be good good eating here in the Ramirez household because it is, my mom just loves to spoil me with food and I missed her cooking.
Manny:She's been gone for, like, 6 months. So she kinda spends her time in Mexico and then comes back. So she has just just has an amazing life. I'm so envious of her because she gets to travel a lot, and she's actually about to leave on a trip here to, Yucatan here in a in a couple weeks. So I'm really, really envious of that, but I'm glad to be home and the weather is just beautiful here right now.
Manny:It's, I I got in last night. It was pretty windy, gusty, and that landing, whoever did that landing yesterday, they really had to work for it but it was a beautiful landing. But, yeah, we got to the gate and I noticed that their spoilers were still deployed, and I wanted to ask the crew what happened, but I don't know if it was a procedure for them to keep the spoilers up. I don't know, but I wanted to ask where the crew was gone by the time I got off the plane. And, but this morning when I woke up, beautiful day, all these winds just kind of threw all the smog out of the valley So you can see from one end to of the valley to to the other, it's really nice.
Manny:There's still some snow in in Charleston, Mount Charleston. So it's really nice to see that, but beautiful day. Really happy to be back here in Las Vegas for a few days before I head back and go back to work. Gonna be teaching once again. So I'm looking forward to that as well.
Manny:Always looking forward to that to, go and teach. I like doing that. I also wanna take this opportunity to thank everyone that's sharing the podcast with your friends and family. That really means a lot. I wanna give a shout out to my friend v for sharing the podcast.
Manny:It's tremendous support from her. If you haven't listened to that episode, it's, the first part of a 3 part series with my friend, v. That, came out on Monday a few days ago, so make sure you check it out. It's a 3 part series. Part 2 is coming out on Monday.
Manny:I'm getting ready to edit that and get it out, and published, but really do appreciate your support. I also wanna thank all the listeners, all the followers, all the reviews, all the ratings because it's really blowing my mind at the growth of this community. I mean, it's it's completely exceeded my exceeded my expectations or where I expected this podcast to be within a year. I've been doing this for about about a year and a half now. I think I would say I started back in December of 22.
Manny:So super excited to see the growth and I'm really thankful for that growth. So thank you so much. It's all it's all you're doing. Right? I have no sponsors.
Manny:I have no marketing team. I have no producer. It's all one man show right here and, it's really your support that keeps me going. It gives me it's that, you're the the the wind beneath my wings so I really do appreciate for that support and the kind words I've gotten from that. Also, I want to, remind you guys that if you haven't rated the show whether it's on Spotify or whatever platform you're you're using, make sure you go in there and and leave a review and tap that star.
Manny:I really do appreciate that. It makes a it makes a difference because I want to continue growing this community because I want to bring awareness to, the aviation community and give back. That's my goal is to give back and the more people we have here, the more people we can support. I also wanna share your stories. Right?
Manny:I wanna if you have a story, an aviation story, you have a question, please I wanna share that with our community as well because if you have a question, more than likely someone else has the same question. So, hey, why not help someone out? Right? Why not help someone in your same situation? And, this is what the podcast is all about.
Manny:Also, I wanna remind for for those of you that want to come on the show, I know some of you have scheduled some times and they have to reschedule because of of, potential schedule conflicts with your own personal life. Hey, don't worry about it. We'll make it work. I I had to reschedule a couple of them because things came up. I had friends that had to reschedule because things came up on their end.
Manny:So don't worry. Just be patient. We'll make it work. My friend Patrick and my friend Micah, when they before they came on the Xiaomi, we were literally almost a year, or actually 6 months or with Patrick, it was like almost a year when my friend, Micah, was over 6 months trying to make it work because I was super busy and we finally made it work. So don't worry about it.
Manny:Hey, if you wanna be on the show, you wanna have a conversation with me, definitely just go into the show notes. There's a link there to see my availability and if, I think we have a few more days in May and I'll post my availability for June coming up in a couple of weeks. My schedule is posting here in a couple of days and I should have have more availability coming up in June. But anyways, let's be patient with each other and make sure that we can, but we'll make that show happen. Believe me, we will make that show happen.
Manny:But, yeah. I got plenty of content I still have on the shelf that I'm still trying to edit and and, really excited for my guests that are coming up here in the next month or so. I think you'll be really, really excited to hear in what I have in store for you guys. Also, I wanna thank all of you for sending the email, suggestions, critiques. I've sent out postcards, trading cards for you guys.
Manny:I I am, I am running low on those, trading cards. I haven't had a chance to go to any other domicile to see if they have any more of those any any more of those trading cards but I'll keep an eye out for those to make sure that if you do want 1, you submit a question, you want 1, I'll send you one for sure. Absolutely. I'm happy to send them out or if you want a postcard, I'm also just collecting those. I've been buying some more postcards because you guys have been wanting some so I'll go ahead and send them out.
Manny:But, hey, don't just request a postcard. Leave a question. Give me a story because some of you is like, oh, I want the postcard. I want a trading card. You're just getting freebies out of off of me.
Manny:Come on. Give Give me a question. Give me something. Give me content for the show. Alright?
Manny:So give me a good question. Give me some content and I'll definitely send you a postcard and or a trading card. I'm not gonna send both. K? Don't be greedy.
Manny:So I'll send you 1 or the other. Some of you have asked for 22 or 3. I'm like, no, I'm not gonna do that. I'm just gonna send you one. Alright?
Manny:I gotta get these. These are these are worth gold, man. These are worth gold. And, talk about just got done in Denver, and, I wanna talk a little bit I wanna rant a little bit about the hotel I was at right now. So I'm not gonna name the hotel, but they kept us at this hotel that I don't usually stay at.
Manny:Usually, we stay at this other hotel which is really nice because we also build points, but this hotel is really weird because, the first time I I was there, I was there for 2 nights. This is probably about a month or 2 ago, and the company kept me at this hotel and I was there for 2 nights. And you think that when you have a reservation and you check-in they give you a key and that key works for the duration of your your reservation. But to my surprise, it didn't. So the the night next night when I came in, I went up to my I went up to the door to get into the hotel.
Manny:It didn't work. So I went to the lobby, says, hey, my key is not working. And at first, I thought it was me that I, demagnetized the the key or something because I put it close to my phone or whatever But they're like, oh, no, you're gonna have to every time every day you're gonna have to get a new key. I'm like, what? I'm like, why do I have to do that?
Manny:Like, it seems so weird to do that. It's like, yeah, it's it's between the company or, you know, whoever books our hotels and it's like they're blaming it basically on the company, the books or hotels. And so it seemed really weird and this time I was there I was I think I spent 7 days at this hotel and every day before I went up to the room I had to go to the lobby and get a new key and sometimes I had to wait in line for a few minutes to get a new key. Yeah. Yeah.
Manny:I know. My prima donna is showing but, you know, it's just those little things, you know. After a long day, you know, I've been working 12, 14 hour days and the last thing I wanna do is wait in line at the lobby to get a new hook, a new room key. Right? So I'm gonna submit some, comments to, or a review for the company that does our booking so maybe I don't get this hotel again.
Manny:But here's the thing, that hotel is really nice. I actually liked the it's a really nice room and what I really appreciate it has a really big sink. It doesn't have a stove but it does have a big sink that I can wash dishes in. This last time I was in Denver, I brought a bunch of food from home. So I brought it from Colorado Springs.
Manny:I drove like I made a bunch of curry and I had just food prepared that I brought from home. So it was nice to wash my dishes that I brought and everything like that. It made it really nice and that sink and that faucet was beautiful, it was really nice. So I really like that aspect of the room but I just hated the fact that I had to go down to the lobby and get a new key. I don't know.
Manny:So I'm kind of torn between staying there again, because the other the other hotel where you usually stay at, it's that's really tiny sink. It's available, but it's just it's a little and it gets gets, I get water everywhere and then it's it's a big mess, but it's those little things, guys, that make me happy. So, I don't know. I'm torn. I don't know what to do.
Manny:I don't know if I wanna stay there again. I it kinda grew on me like it it was kind of part it became part of my routine that as soon as I came back from work, I went to the lobby and got a new key and they went up to my room. So I guess I don't mind it too much. Initially, it was a big pain in the ass, but now I'm I'm like, it's not so bad but still, it's really weird that they do that. And I and I told other coworkers and I even told the company because it was an issue with my reservation and they're like, oh, really?
Manny:Wow. That's weird. I've never heard of that before. I'm like, exactly. I've never heard of that before.
Manny:That's what I do for a living. Right? Live in live in and out of hotels and this is the first time that a hotel has asked me to get a new key every single day. I don't know if it's a process they need to work with, or maybe management doesn't know how to do it. Who knows?
Manny:But, anyways, enough of that. So, today, I wanna talk about that incident we had, I think it was today or yesterday. FedEx crew landed in Istanbul, Turkey. They landed at 767 with the nose gear, up so they weren't unable to retract, not retract, but extend the nose gear and they landed in Istanbul with just the main landing gear so they had they had to nose it in onto the runway. And, so kudos to the to the crew.
Manny:Right? Their professionalism in getting this aircraft down without further damage and I think this this airplane is gonna be back in service momentarily. It's not gonna be very long. It was definitely a hydraulic system failure and you can tell it was some type of hydraulic system because obviously the gear. Right?
Manny:Most of the airplanes are hydraulic system. Most bigger airplanes have a hydraulic hydraulically driven landing gear and but also you can see if you look at the video, it's all over YouTube. You can see the, the landing gear doors on the main landing gear they're they're down and also we have they didn't use reverse thrust because those, the reverse thrust, for the cow, they usually are hydraulically operated as well. So that wasn't working and the reports also that the crew did a few missed approaches, a low pass to make sure, you know, verify that information, Verify that the gear was in fact not extended and so then they weren't able to extend the nose landing gear and they came in and landed. So good job to the crew to do that.
Manny:No injuries and they handled it very well. But if you remember back in October, FedEx also had a no landing gear landing in Memphis. They had a 757 there. They had a situation where the crew could not extend the landing gear even using, alternate methods to get that landing gear extended so they had to make a landing without basically no landing gear at all. They just bellied it right onto the runway.
Manny:So, good job to that crew as well. So, now, I know a lot of you are gonna be like, oh, it's a Boeing plane. It's a Boeing plane, but this has happened to, I think, more recently too, I think it was an Airbus that landed in LA. There was, I think they had a no flap landing, I believe it was, but also had a hydraulic failures, a system a hydraulic system failure because if you notice the videos, the landing gear doors were also not retracted. I think they had a, there was another triple 7 out of Sydney, not Sydney but, I think it was New Zealand.
Manny:They took off and a hydraulic line just exploded so you saw this just kind of like a plume of white fluid or smoke coming off the landing gear so they had an issue with the landing gear as well. So know that there's a lot of, backup systems and redundancy in these airplanes to make sure that we get the landing gear, extended. It's very rare but, you know, it's unfortunate that it has happened so, like, recently. Right? We had that 777 out of, New Zealand, I believe it was.
Manny:I mean, I don't even know. I haven't researched that one too much, but I remember seeing it in the news, when all this, United stuff was happening, all the other incidents that we're having, I think, with the the land, the tire falling off the triple 7 in San Francisco, all that stuff. Anyways, it was all over the news and and it's just unfortunate that it happened. It was it was covered by the media, but, you know, know that it's still very safe and that we have alternate procedures to extend that the the gear. So for us in the 175, we have three ways that we can and see we have one, 2, we have 3 ways to lowering the landing gear.
Manny:So, one is normal. Right? So, just using the landing gear lever. The second one is using an electrical override switch to pretty much tell the computers I don't care what you think or what you think the position of the gear is, I want this landing gear down. So, I'll override the signal to send that signal straight to the actual landing gear actuators to actually lower the landing gear.
Manny:If that doesn't work and let's say we had a system 2 hydraulic failure or we lost pressure, then we have let's call it a PTU, a power transfer unit, which will actually transfers act like a like a supercharger or a turbo and it'll use some of the fluid from system 1 to power system 2 to assist in the extension or retraction of the landing gear. So that's another method. In the in the last like blasted shepherd is we have a, a lever that almost looks like a parking brake. It's on the FO side. We open that compartment and we we extend that that lever to release hydraulic pressure from the up locks of the gear.
Manny:So it just it's kind of like gravity, right? It just lets it fall and we hope that with enough force and aerodynamic forces, we can actually lock down the gear and land. But we also have, obviously, procedures so, you know, do a fly by making sure that it's down, etc, and then we could take it from there. Alright. So now I have a question from a listener that I want to answer and I want to kind of get into some, checkride advice for you guys.
Manny:Let me go ahead and find it here really quick. Alright. Here's the email says, hey, Manny. I found your podcast from one of my classmates that had you for PT, MMA maneuvers training at the moment, and it honestly has been a challenge for me. I was a flight instructor for almost 2 years.
Manny:And while I do consider myself to be a pretty sharp pilot, it's been an uphill struggle trying to understand the operation as a whole. I'm a bit overwhelmed and I'm beginning to worry, worry I may be falling behind and that's just adding to the stress. There seems to be so much to cover and when I study with my sim partner in our study group, I feel like I don't know much as I don't know as much as them so there's always this frantic need to study more and dig up more information. Can you give me some pointers for maneuvers training in in upcoming loft? I've heard there's been a lot of pilots washing out lately and that's not helping me reduce my anxiety.
Manny:I appreciate any words of wisdom. Alright. Let's see. Well, let me see Bob. That's Bob is, I don't know if that's your actual name or if it is, I'm sorry.
Manny:Maybe you wanna remain anonymous. Who knows? But thank you for your question. That's really, Edeliza was something I wanted to talk about that I've been observing as a seat sub recently, and I want to just say, first of all, if you have this big of a concern, you need to bring it up you need to bring it up with the, the department's chief. So if you're in maneuvers, that's gonna be, the chief from, flight training.
Manny:Right? So we're gonna have to reach out to that person. First, talk to your instructor and say, hey, ask them and, just voice your concerns of what's going on and then if you need to take it up further then, you know, that instructor will talk to the chief and making sure that we support you in any in any way possible. Right? And I wanna give you a good example.
Manny:Something like this happened to me recently. I had a pair of pilots that came through through PT and they were really struggling. Like, I'm talking like this is they were really far behind. They were just hanging on by the, you know, the what do they call it? By the skin or their teeth or what?
Manny:What's the saying? I'm so bad with sayings. But, anyways, they were really struggling. They were just hanging on for dear life with just the basics of flows and checklists on the ground, you know, let alone flying like they were just completely lost with the automation management and just managing the aircraft. So I had them for, I believe, 3 days.
Manny:So I had them for 3 sessions and the first session that I had him for, I had to do a lot of coaching, a lot of mentoring, and I had to act as the seat sub so I can kind of give him a little bit of overview and my expectations of what we wanted to see. And the second day, it took them close to an hour to push back from the gate. So the expectation for us is that we want to push back under 30 minutes. So we want to have all our tasks complete. We want to have everything set up and be pushed from the gate within 30 minutes.
Manny:We're talking about you already got to the airplane, you have to do your security check, you have to check your documents, airworthiness of the aircraft, and then you have to do all your before start tasks and we the expectation is you want to push back within 30 minutes. Some most crews do it within 20 minutes. If you go past 30 minutes, it's a little bit, it's okay. We can do we can get it done but you still remember, you still have to taxi to the runway. You have to take off.
Manny:You have to go to your destination and you have to go to the gate, do your sequences, your checklist, and your flows at your destination. So anyways, this crew was way behind so they took roughly an hour to push back from the gate so we had no time to do anything else in the air. We had no time to do holds. We had no time to do approaches, missed approaches. None of that because we were focusing on so much on the on the basic operation of the airplane or setting up the airplane for for for flight.
Manny:And that was a little concerning to me so I kind of had a real talk with him and I sat down with him and said, hey, listen guys. You guys gotta go up and practice in the device. We have some matrix devices upstairs, some, some computers you can practice building in the MCDU is like but you gotta start, you know, you gotta start moving fast. And I said, you need to do just do every single task as fast as humanly possible, time yourself, and then see what mistakes you made along the way. And then one of the students says, well, I'm afraid that if we do that, we may be doing something wrong and not be able to catch our own mistakes, and because we're doing it wrong.
Manny:So we need, you know, we kind of need some guidance and say, well, this is your guidance right here. I'm I'm telling you, you know, this is what the expectations that we've been pretty clear what we expect but, you know, you just kind of have to wing it. You know, you gotta time yourself. You gotta really, you know, because I I'm a true believer in, slow is smooth and smooth is fast, but they were at a point where they needed to be fast to be able to meet that timeline so we can focus on other stuff and they weren't. So I was a little bit concerned for that and I gave him, like I said, I gave him a real talk and I kind of gave him like a little wake up call like, hey, you guys are really behind.
Manny:Right? You know, it's like, I'll be honest with all my students. I'll say, if you're if you're doing great, cool. And if you're doing wrong if you're doing bad, I'll let you know. But something clicked with them that day because they went up in the next morning.
Manny:I had them again and they both pushed back within 30 minutes. So I was, like, dang, guys. Is it whatever you guys did, it worked. Right? It worked out.
Manny:So they were really pumped about that. They were really excited for their progress and but I still did not recommend them for the procedures validation so I recommended them for an ad session. I said, well, you guys do really good today but because this is the first time I've seen this performance, you know, I can, in good conscience, send you to a validation event which is an actual FAA requirement because if you fail that, that's gonna be on your pre record for your your entire career. You're gonna have to disclose this failure to other employers or whoever for the rest of your careers. So I told him I was like I would rather send you on another ad session, get some practice, and get it going.
Manny:And I kind of gave them the example. I says, hey, both of you were instructors before. Right? Would you send a student out that they just literally this lesson, they started showing you consistency with their landings, would you be comfortable sending them out on their checkride? And they both agreed.
Manny:I was like, no, I wouldn't. I was like, exactly. So I'd rather give you an ad session and so you can get more practice, show the other instructors some consistency, and then they can recommend you for the validation. And, they had, but another thing, Bob, that I want to tell you is that I told them, I said, hey, listen, because one of the students says, hey, man, it's like I don't know, I I don't know if it's a good idea for us to go into an ad session tomorrow, and then immediately into the validation. I'm just I'm completely overwhelmed.
Manny:You You know, I I needed some time to decompress and just kind of like take a breath, man. It's like I've been going nonstop since day 1 since Indoc and it's just been nonstop training and it's just I am completely burnt out. And I said, you need to go talk to the chief about that. You need to go talk to them. Voice your concerns.
Manny:And so we talked to the chief, one of the chiefs there, and we were able to get him a day off so they can kinda decompress a little bit and they came back, 2 days later. They did their ad session. They got recommended and on the 3rd day, they went to their validation and they passed it. And it went I made it a point to go back in that day because I was working. I went in and found them in the building and I congratulated them.
Manny:I said, I told you. I knew you guys could do it. It's just you need a little bit more time. You need to be more patient. But the big lesson here, Bob, is we need to communicate our needs to our chiefs and our instructors to make sure they can support us because if we don't know what's going on in your life, if we don't know you're this stressed out, we can't help you.
Manny:Right? I've seen a lot of people fail validation events because then after they fail, they say, well, you know what? Oh, man. You know, I was like, I have a lot on my plate right now. You know, my dad has cancer and, you know, and something, some major life event.
Manny:I'm like, dude, why didn't you tell us this before? We will send you home so you can deal with it so you can be focused on what you got because let me tell you guys, airline operation train airline operations training is no joke. It is probably one of the most difficult trainings you're gonna go through in your life. Okay? I went through EOD school, explosive ordnance disposal school for and I was there in training for over a year and the training at SkyWest was harder than that.
Manny:It was it was insane. There was physical pain manifested in myself because of the stress I was going through. It's no joke guys But we're here to support you. If something happens, we will give you the time and we will we will work with you some to make sure that we, we we ensure your success because we're spending so much money on you. We're spending upwards of $30,000 to get you to the right seat of that plane.
Manny:Why would we throw that away? So, we want we want to see you succeed and and I I really want to see my students succeed. So, please, if you're under the stress, first talk to your instructor and they will give you an honest assessment of your performance. Right? Because we've been doing this for a while.
Manny:We know what to see in in students. We know when they're doing good. We know when we're doing bad. And most students will say, hey, yeah, I'm a little bit overwhelmed and we'll say, hey, that's okay. That's perfectly fine, and they'll tell you you're doing great.
Manny:They'll they'll tell you you're doing above, you know, above average, average, or below below standard and we'll let you know, but please communicate that with your instructor to make sure that they give you a fair assessment of what of what of your performance and, so you can move forward. Okay. Now, I want to give you some tips to and this is what I tell every single student that comes to the training department and I'm their instructor. This is what I tell them. Okay?
Manny:I tell them that they need to 1st of all, I'm gonna say it again because it's super important. Ask your instructor for an assessment of your performance because we will enter notes in the grader so we can you can see them but we also enter notes to other instructors to make sure kind of give them give them a heads up of your performance. But just if you have a concern, just be like, hey, how am I doing? Am I doing okay? And if they say, hey, we're gonna give you an ad session or whatever, take the ad session.
Manny:Some people are scared of the ad ad session because I don't know why they just get more anxious about it, but let me tell you something, if they're offering you that ad session, take it. Right? It's they're paying you to do it. It's additional training. It's in your benefit to take that ad session, so do it.
Manny:Also, you need to stick to a schedule. You need to stay within the confines of your footprint for that maneuvers training, right? Don't start my opinion, this is just my opinion, don't start studying for your kv which is knowledge validation or your oral until you pass your maneuvers validation. Do not overload yourself with information before you get to that portion of training because when you go through L0ft, line oriented flight training, you're going to go through a lot of topics that you can study when you are in that session. So what you or you're in that footprint, so don't don't skip ahead too much.
Manny:Also, I would suggest that you, if you're overwhelmed doing just do self study on your own. Okay? Stick with the material that we're providing you. Right? You have your company manuals, you have multiple sources within your EFB to study for your kv and all that stuff, and I always say, hey, hey, go for the cq study guide, go for the kv study guide, the performance manual, the release explanation guide.
Manny:Stay within the the materials that we provide you because I know there's a ton of gouges out there and those gouges can be super overwhelming because they might have more information than you may need. So just stay steer away from those gouges as much as possible. Try to study. Do some self studying instead, and or just with your sim partner because once you go with a group, listen, if it's if it is overwhelming you, it doesn't help to overload your senses with more information by going to a study group. Right?
Manny:So just stick with your sim partner. Say, hey, I wanna just to do a kind of 1 on 1 then I'm gonna head over to back to my hotel room and do some studying, but just limit the amount of information that you're receiving and trust the process. Right? We're gonna give you everything you need. Okay?
Manny:We want you to succeed. Also, get rest. Okay? Learn how to shut down. Right?
Manny:Have some discipline and also follow a schedule to make sure that you wake up at the same time, you eat at the same time, you study at the same time, you go to work at the same time every single day of training because when you when your your schedule is predictable, you reduce the amount of stress that you're putting yourself under. So make sure that you do that. Stay within the schedule and study the same times, walk or exercise if you do so or if you don't, I highly encourage you to go for a walk or at least go on a treadmill for half an hour just to kind of blow off some steam. You definitely need that but learn to shut down. When you need to go to sleep, go to sleep.
Manny:Right? Go on TikTok or Instagram or something or watch YouTube videos. Just shut your brain down for a little bit. Watch a movie, something, but it's so important to get rest. Right?
Manny:We need our physiological needs to be, fit for duty. We need to have the proper rest, and I've seen students come to, come to work. Dude, they're they're zombies and their performance degrades significantly. Like, I've seen students do really well in, like, one session and then they come back and they're doing really dumb mistakes and I asked them, did you get enough sleep last night? It's like, no, I have slept like 3 hours.
Manny:I'm like, I can tell. I can tell when when people have not slept and you probably know know it too. So make sure you get enough rest. Also, you probably have heard this a lot and say that during your checkride, they're gonna be evaluating human factors. So what does that mean human factors?
Manny:I'm gonna give you one aspect of what that means. Okay? When you take your checkride, it's literally it it it should be, Okay. It should be the is easiest checkride of your life. Like, you know, I I thought it was when I went through it.
Manny:That was the easiest checkride of of my life, the c f five being the most difficult but what they're evaluating is not only your flows and your checklist and your knowledge of the operation but they're also gonna start evaluating how you prioritize tasks. Let me explain how. So recently, I've been seat subbing a lot for, and luckily I've I've had the the privilege of seat subbing for some of my students check rides. So I was their instructor during PT and and I showed up for their, check ride. So it was really cool to see the progression.
Manny:It was like it was like a proud dad moment friend in some sense because, you know, they were kind of lost in the woods. They were kind of lost in the sauce and what we're doing in PT and procedures training and then they had a week and a half to go and do their maneuvers and loft training and then now you see the final product at the end and it was so cool to see their performance. I was really glad to be part of their moment of their the culminating moment of training and, you know, in the training department and go on to IOE. So it was really cool to see that and, you know, pass their checkride. So I did 3 of them and but the common theme throughout is that we teach as we're going through the training department, we're really focused on teaching you flows and checklists and it's very robotic like.
Manny:Right? So we just follow sequence of events as per a checklist or per the manual but we don't incorporate the actual operation as a whole. What I mean by that is I'll give you a perfect example that I've seen the weakness on here. So after we land, we are supposed to as soon as the aircraft clears the runway, we are supposed to turn out or the FFOs are supposed to turn turn off lights and then the captain, they have to wait for the captain to call for the after landing sequence. That makes them go, so you know, put the flaps up, you know, turn off the, set the trim back to 4, turn off the APU bleed, set anti icing if needed, go to the status page, right?
Manny:But, they're focusing so much on turning off these slides as soon as we're coming off the runway that they are forgetting to call ground. They're forgetting to communicate, right? So, remember, aviate, navigate, communicate. So they're so focused on on getting a good grade on their flows and their checklist that just everything else goes out the window And now as I'm landing or they're landing the airplane and I'm taxiing off the runway, now they have their hands are ready for the lights but then, you know, I have to stop, you know, at the exit of a high speed and then just block that exit because the FO is waiting for me to call the after landing sequence. Right?
Manny:So, I can't say anything as a seats up. I can't really kind of guide them there. I brief them a little bit as far as, like, normal line operations when we're doing it because we try to make the checkride as real as possible but it's just, I can't really intervene too much, right? That's just my the rules for a seat sub is we can do we can't intervene too much. But that's what I noticed a lot is that we land and they just they focus so much on the checklist and the flows that they forget the more important thing of actually communicating with ATC to get us off that runway.
Manny:So on a normal day, when we land tower, we usually say, hey, exit left or right when able, contact ground 0.8 or ground 0.9. Right? So you can call ground before you're even leaving the runway and say, hey, SkyWest 41100, we're clearing runway 27 at alpha 3, we're going to gate bravo 34. Okay. So before we even get off that high speed, ground can tell us, hey, taxi alpha Charlie to the gate or whatever so I don't have to stop the airplane blocking that high speed so we can continue moving on.
Manny:Right? So that checklist, it's really not time or safety critical at this point. Right? It's all all we're doing is putting the flaps back up or turning off lights and we're turning on the APU. It is not essential for us to run that checklist now.
Manny:So that's how I brief usually when they come landing. I say, hey, once we get off the runway, the first thing is to make sure we're safe. We are both heads up making sure we're avoiding traffic or any vehicles that we could potentially hit and then after that, hey, you can turn off the lights and then I'll call for the afterlending sequence. So we want to focus on those, the core principles of FLYNE, aviate, navigate, communicate. So prioritize those tasks and what's more important, a checklist or a flow or actually flying the airplane.
Manny:And for most instances, it is going to be true. Flying the airplane is more important. There's sometimes that, yes, we have to run a checklist or a QRC or QH procedure or a memory item, but more often than not, it's gonna be flying the airplane the airplane first and we have, Scott West, we have it's called a threatened error application model and, you know, the first step is to, you know, recognize there is an unanticipated threat and the first step of that is to fly the airplane, right? The memory item comes second, QRC comes 3rd, and QRH comes down the line. So it's we have to assess the criticality of certain things that happen so that way we don't jump into a, into a bigger problem.
Manny:Also, what I've run a lot into is that when there is an abnormal situation that happens with the airplane, fos, new fos typically jump the gun and try to act on certain just kind of their condition to as soon as they hear something happen, for example, let's say you get a master warning for a laboratory smoke. Right? When I asked them, I said, well, what are you gonna do if you get a master warning for a laboratory smoke bathroom smoke. Right? So something happens.
Manny:Something's going on in bathroom. So what what are you gonna do? And more often than not, I guess, oh, I'm gonna don my oxygen mask. I'm going to establish communication and then, you know, run the q r c. Right?
Manny:But I said, well, actually, it's the first thing is to fly the airplane. Right? So the airplane's flying just okay then we run the memory item but, also, when we get a master caution or something happens that we are not anticipating in flight or on the ground, we have to assess the criticality of the situation. We have to take a deep breath. Right?
Manny:Don't panic. A lot of people panic. They jump into action. They start pressing buttons. They start doing things out of sequence because they're rushing into doing this.
Manny:You know, that is how they usually botch go arounds. Right? They're so focused on hitting that toga button that they forget to call for the flaps. They forget to call for the gear. Right?
Manny:So slow down. Right? In the absence of experience, slow down. So, usually, I say, well, if you get a laugh smoke because this has happened to me a couple times, I say if you get a laugh smoke, the first thing we do is we want to contact the flight attendants to make sure that it is in fact a fire or there is actually smoke going on in the bathroom and guess what? Most of the time they're gonna tell you some guy vaping in the bathroom.
Manny:That's where you're gonna that's where you're gonna get. So you assess the criticality of the situation by expanding your CRM team, right, your crew resource management, expanding CRM, getting the flight attendants involved, and say, hey, what's going on back there? Oh, no. Some guy vaping, you know, he's in 1st class. We got a name, you know, whatever.
Manny:So we'll deal with them later. But now we just saved ourselves, taking off our headsets, putting on the mask, doing all that stuff up front. Right? Now if the flight attendants say, oh, yeah, there is a fire.
Manny:Right? Okay. Then we escalate the issue and we move on to
Manny:what we need to do and, put if the cabin or the flight deck starts filling up with smoke, there's another procedure for that. But always assess the criticality of a situation because not everything, and we hope not, I mean, this is that the airplane like, if losing control, like, say, we lose part of our of our aileron or rudder, that's gonna be a really time critical situation, right, that we have to act right now. But most things that happen in an airplane, even in engine failure, is take a deep breath, assess the criticality, fly the airplane, and move forward from that. So that's super important to, to understand. So when you go to your checkride, remember that we're seeing not only your your execution of the flows in the checklist but we're seeing how you're prioritizing tasks.
Manny:What's important right now? We also a big a big thing that I'm noticing is people are really weak on on fuel planning and holding calculations. Use the computer. Okay? We know we teach in the classroom how to use a bar h method, you know, to burn alternate reserve fuel for your holding fuel but use your resources in a plane to determine what you, what you have on board.
Manny:Right? What you're actually burning, how much time, how fast you're flying, etcetera. Use the resources you have on board. Okay? I'm trying to think of anything else but those are the big ones.
Manny:Right? So, we don't want you to be robotic. The way that you can do this by chair flying, asking a lot of questions, and having knowing that that a checklist may be the last thing you need and that you need to prioritize flying the airplane, getting us off this runway safely and efficiently before we run any checklist. Right? And like I said, in most cases, it's gonna be in most instances, flying the airplane is gonna be priority number 1.
Manny:Aviate, navigate, communicate. Okay. Now, the last thing I'm gonna talk about today is, currently there is this post floating around the Internet. I mean, it's everywhere now. I've seen it on X.
Manny:A friend of a friend of mine sent me this, screenshot of this, I'm assuming a pilot that made a post somewhere in a forum complaining about a jump seater. It was a united new hire jump seating of Southwest flight between San Francisco and San Diego, I believe, and something happened during their session or during this flight that this jump seater this jump seater felt compelled to run to the FAA and report this crew. I don't know what the reason was, but this post makes it seem like, I don't know, man. Just the word the way that is worded, it just makes my blood boil a little bit. I don't know.
Manny:I'm gonna read this to you really quick. Let me pull up the picture here or the screenshot. I'm I'm gonna leave names out. I'm not gonna say any names but this is the post that came through or that I read that is floating around the Internet. It says a newer hire at United jump seated on Southwest Airlines recently from San Francisco to San Diego and, after the flight was over, decided she would notify the FAA on
Manny:the inadequacies of the crew whose jump seat they graciously
Manny:offered, not of the crew whose jump c they graciously offered. Not going to name names,
Manny:but for god's sakes, please
Manny:mentor our newer hires on how to jump seat properly and keep your damn mouth shut. So, first of all, right off the bat, I'm gonna dissect this a little bit. I'm gonna go in sections. But, first of all, you telling someone to keep their damn mouth shut, I don't think that's really a positive work environment or encouraging to report or a good safety culture. Let's put it that way.
Manny:I don't know if it this was a safety related incident. I don't know if there was, that's the reason why this female decided to go to the FAA, but you telling everyone, especially younger pilots, to keep your damn mouth shut, shame on you. Alright? Just just shame on you for doing that. I I don't understand why you had the need to say that.
Manny:That's just ridiculous. At the very least, I'm gonna continue on. It's just at the very least, if you see something incorrect or wrong, very politely query the crew if you feel you must. If you feel you must, like, oh, yeah, like, I'm not gonna talk, you know, I'm not gonna speak up and let them explain themselves if they choose to. If they choose not to and you are not satisfied, please contact our jump seat committee and let them handle it.
Manny:Running to the FAA and skipping Rob's committee is I don't know what Rob's committee is. It's not the way to do this and I think that that common sense would prevail, but here we are. So it sounds like to me like they're just pissed about the fact that they win, this girl or woman or female, whatever you wanna call them, decided to go directly VFA instead of going to the proper channels. Now, I agree. I'm all about chain of command.
Manny:Right? I'm about to talking directly to the person first, addressing them when they first deal with the problem there, with with the problem there then if that doesn't work then you go to your supervisor then if you don't go there you know just go up the ladder, right, and just inform them and keep them informed on what's gonna happen. But, apparently, this, this lady, 1 man, girl, female, decided to go straight to the FAA. Not the way that I've handled it but it's still, maybe her concern was serious enough or maybe she did speak up and they didn't say anything or they disagree or they had a disagreement in the flight deck and she deemed it necessary to go directly to the FAA. We don't know but they're making assumptions here as far as, you know, not knowing or just being about being new.
Manny:Okay, let me continue. Personally, I don't say Jack while I'm writing and I and and basically a very polite doormat. Right, dude? Enjoying being a doormat. Yeah.
Manny:Okay. Yeah. Not talk or anything. I just sit there. I've got to say I'm not surprised by this as some of our newer folks just seem to not get it at times and not really sure how we can prevent this from happening in the future.
Manny:Hey, guy. How about, what do you mean you're surprised? Like, what about just you yourself know, giving, like, boomer captain vibes right off the bat. Like, this is some guy that's just, like, sticking the status quo, like, oh, you're not doing it how we're supposed to do it. Oh, guess what?
Manny:We've been doing this before you even you were even born. I'm, like, shut up. This is just pissing me off. He was, like, I'm not surprised. Okay.
Manny:It's, like, I'm not really sure how we can prevent this. Prevent it by just mentoring pilots yourself, guy. Just do that. Okay? How about that?
Manny:Alright. So then, let me continue. It says, rightly or wrongly, some of the southwest guys and gals are starting to turn down our pilots as the story winds its its, winds its way around their seniority list. Please share your thoughts on this with, with the people you fly with and remind them that jump shooting is a privilege and not a right. I totally agree.
Manny:I agree with that. Many of our pilots depend on the ride from southwestern airlines and to be turned down because of someone else's foolishness is unforgivable. So someone reporting a concern to the FAA apparently is foolishness to this guy. Unforgivable. Oh, my God.
Manny:It's unforgivable. I don't understand. I mean, I'm just reading this just piss me off. Like I said, this is giving like some salty dudes, you know, he's been in the company for 20 plus years and they're used to flying with a flight deck door open. They're used to just, you know, just being cowboys in the flight deck.
Manny:It's a new environment, guys. It's a new environment nowadays. We have to be adaptable and you're probably about to retire yourself, you know, who knows? Maybe not. I'm just making assumptions here but, I don't know.
Manny:I think it's kind of giving toxic work vibes here. I don't I don't really get I don't really get it. You know, we can go and sit here and sit and ask ourselves, was a new hire in the wrong? You know, the consensus is that everyone really everyone is jumping on this girl right now. I I was calling her a snitch.
Manny:Everyone is mad at her for not following quote unquote protocol. You know, everyone's just ready to crucify her. I've seen, you know, memes and posts and just from about just about any everyone, especially even people I know, you know. And like I said, I do agree that the flight deck is a privilege and not a right, but to tell people to keep their mouth shut? Like, okay, guy.
Manny:Why don't you go yell at a cashier somewhere? I don't know. This is, like, really it just rubs me the wrong way, man. You know, listen. More often than not, I'm the under I'm I'm for the underdog.
Manny:Okay? I go against established norms, you know, I go against the status quo and and and normal societal expectations. My opinion is usually just, you know, they go against the grain. And, honestly, I've gotten, you know, bullied, we'll call it bullying, by the more, you know, by the more established members of the community when I stand up for the beliefs of the person standing up on a popular point of view. So, you know, they voice something that goes against the grain and people just automatically just jump on these people.
Manny:Right? We make assumptions of these people without even knowing anything, you know. And I've been left alone to fight some bad some battles, you know. I've had people come up to me after the fact telling me it's like, oh, how unfair was, you know, how they treated me and that they were gonna back me up and they had a response ready or something that they were gonna say something. But in the end, they just they didn't have my back.
Manny:You know, they didn't stand out for me because they were afraid of being caught in the shit storm I've, you know, gotten myself into. And And they don't wanna be associated with my unpopular opinion or or stand up for the senior daddies and mamas. Right? They don't wanna stand up to them, and I don't blame them. You know, it takes courage to stand up for your beliefs and a lot of us don't have that kind of courage.
Manny:I certainly don't most of the time. You know, I've dealt with senior staff, you know, or or people that are well established at certain companies that I've worked at, you know, that believe that it's like you just shut up and sit down. That this is how it's been done since, you know, for eons, you know. Oh, they do their jobs right so that's all that matters. Oh, I was in the military before blah blah blah blah blah.
Manny:You know, it just it's it's it's it's becoming a young person's game this, aviation thing. We we have to take opportunities to mentor. Right? So instead of ranting online, why don't you take this opportunity to mentor the up and coming pilots so we can all get along? So we can know, hey, this is what we're the expectation.
Manny:This is what we want, you know, be, you know, inclusive with it. You know, I'm not saying about DEI hires and stuff but just be inclusive. Make it a nice fun environment because after all, the jump seater becomes an additional crew member, you know, but most of the time, we just take a dump on the new pilots, man. We get we we we go on top and we we completely brutally destroy people, especially especially on social media, on people that we don't agree with. Like, we just jump on their beliefs like, oh, you're not doing it.
Manny:That's not the way I do it. This is how I would do it. You must be insane. But we all have this uncontrollable urge to attack others, to pass judgment on things we know little or nothing about while we do in, you know but we all do it in the name of fitting in with our peers. Oh, everyone's doing it so I'm gonna do it too.
Manny:Oh, yeah. Look at this, you know, dumb guy or girl. I'm trying not to use explicatives. You know, like I mentioned earlier, I've seen already seen memes, posts, and comments just completely going after this this female. Right?
Manny:What a waste of energy. Does that make you a better human being, like, to just put people down or to make assumptions of people of what happened or just boost your ego or just makes you feel better to just put people down? We didn't we didn't even know exactly what happened and, you know, we we weren't there. We don't know what happened. Now, I'm here to play devil's advocate.
Manny:I just told you before. Right? I like to kind of root for the underdog. I like to root for the other person that's getting, you know, taken a dump on. You know, maybe now, here, maybe this female pilot is a horrendous and title spoiled brat and had no business running to big daddy FAA.
Manny:Who knows? But by the sound of this post, this woman shattered the status quo, slapped his crew's fragile ego and false sense of perfection and super superiority and triggered a potential jump seat war between carriers all because she didn't keep her mouth shut. You know, I just thought of a really good example of fragile masculinity of how I experienced, I listed for the jump seat on on a flight, and I am not gonna name the airline because I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings about that, about their airline. But, anyways, one time and this is probably about a year into actually doing airline operations, but I listed for the jump seat and this airline, we have to, even if you're jumping if you're commuting, you have to list for the jump seat and then if they have
Manny:room in the back, they'll give you a seat.
Manny:But I remember this particular day, I was flying from Vegas back to Denver and I listed for the jump seat and they told me, hey. We got a seat for you. It's it's wide open, so we'll give you a seat. So I made my way to down the jet bridge into the plane, and I went and took my seat. So that was my mistake to begin with because since I listed for the jump seat, I had to check-in with the crew and tell them like, hey.
Manny:My name is this. I'm with this company. I have, you know, I listed for the jump seat but they have a seat in back. This is where I'm gonna be sitting but and whatever. So I completely spaced out.
Manny:I took my seat and I was, like, miles away. My head was miles away. And a few minutes after I sat down, the flight attendant comes up and he says, the captain wants to see you. And immediately, I knew that I had forgotten to check check-in with the captain. I was like, oh, man.
Manny:I'm so sorry. So I got up, left my stuff in the bag. Like, I just went up by myself. I left my bag there and I went up to talk to the captain. And this captain, this poor excuse of a human being decided to berate me in front of the entire crew in pat 1st or not first class because I don't have first class, but these these passengers up front and started to telling me it's like, do you know who I am?
Manny:Do you know that I need to know everyone that's on board? Like, why didn't you check-in with me? Like, I'm like, at first, I I was getting ready to scream, but I really wanted to get to Denver, so I didn't wanna lose my seat. So I apologize. I'm sorry, you know, I I know I had to check-in with you.
Manny:I just totally forgot, but I I understand I have to check-in. That wasn't enough. He had to continue berating me in front of the crew. Instead of taking me outside of the jet bridge, instead of talking me privately, he decided to do this this publicly. Super unprofessional, and I was just like this this is ridiculous.
Manny:Like, is this is this for real right now? Is this real life? And I was so pissed off but this guy was just like, I need to see your documents. I'm like, first of all, I'm not gonna be in the jump seat so I you don't need to see nothing in my head. I said in my head.
Manny:But I got my documents. I went back to the Walk of Shame back the aisle, got my documents and he checked out. I was like, next time, make sure you check-in with the captain. I was like, I already apologized to you, bro. Like, I'm sorry I slapped your pee pee, you know, I'm like I am, you know, I'm sorry that my presence as a regional pilot is threatening your your existence.
Manny:It's like but it's it's ridiculous. I mean, you have to understand that these these individual individuals exist and you have to stay professional. I just kept my mouth shut. I apologize and I didn't say and I didn't think of actually talking to a committee about that but that's what happened. And I don't know this whole post about it just kinda reminds me of that.
Manny:I don't know. I just got a little triggered. So let's hold
Manny:off on that judgment. See what happens, and
Manny:I don't know. I don't know how this is gonna play out but listen, guys, let me talk about jump seat, jump seat etiquette. I'm gonna I think I've done this before with some of you, but I want to kind of give you my my beliefs on this. It's a privilege. It's not a right.
Manny:Be respectful, right? Come up and ask for the jump seat. List for the jump seat. Ask for permission. Excuse me, please.
Manny:Thank you. You know, I've had the the privilege of riding with a lot of crews that have been really nice and they briefed me and we joke about it, you know, they say, hey, if anything goes wrong, it's your fault. We laugh about we laugh about it, right? But, but we we brief, you know, and I become an additional crew member. I plug in with my headset.
Manny:I make sure that I'm there present because if something happens, guess what? Guess what's gonna happen? If you get into an incident and the NTSB or the FAA investigates, guess who they're gonna ask questions to? You because you were there. You're an additional crew member.
Manny:You know, I've caught a few crews kind of slipping a little bit but I don't make it a big habit. Like, I just kind of I remember one time. I'll give you an example. Climbing out and the captain started transferring some fuel and they forgot about transferring fuel and I noticed that and I kind of just asked him and say, hey, what's the imbalance limitation on this airplane? I just kinda asked a little bit.
Manny:I was just curious because in my plane is £794 And he's like, oh, and he looked at the fuel and then he's like, oh, shoot. I forgot and they fixed it. But I didn't make a big deal about it. I don't think they've ever been unsafe. I don't think but if even if there was, I'd probably say something because if you don't but if it's like more of like a procedural thing, probably I would have gone to their jump seat committee maybe, just kind of voice my concerns.
Manny:I try if you're not gonna okay. My goal my my thing is this, if you are not gonna talk directly to the crew and address the concerns you have with them and it's not worth talking to any anybody else unless there's like fear of retribution then at that point that yes you can talk to, you know, the the jump sit committee but stay professional. Make sure that you are just doing everything and and and address the problem at the lowest level possible and move on. But just be respectful, guys. I've had so much fun jump seating and honestly, I avoid it now because I hate sitting there for hours in that little tiny seat.
Manny:I'd I'd rather have a seat in the back. Speaking of which, some people have asked me what the difference between jump sitting and non revving is. So when you non rev usually you have to pay a fee. So like if you use Zedfairs or my ID 90, you have to pay a fare like between $3040 to non rev. Right?
Manny:And now for a non rev ticket, you don't have to you don't have the responsibilities of a jump seater. You can have drinks, you can, you know, still abide by the dress code, but you don't have you know, have to shave, etc. You can go on as an actual passenger. But if you are listing for the jump seat, there is no fee associated with that and you wanna stick with a whole commuting policy. Meaning, if you are commuting to and from work, use that option because you're not paying anything.
Manny:If you're gonna be going on a on a vacation, just be of the free just be pay the damn fee, alright? Pay the 30, $40. Now if it gets super tight we're fine. There are certain instances where you can jump seat because you know let's say that there was another one just pay the fee. Let's say there was another passenger that was not going to make it on if you took that seat.
Manny:Okay. Fine. You can take the jump seat but for most instances most instances, if you are commuting to and from work, then, yes, definitely use a jump seating option because that means you're also fit for duty. You can drink, you have to be well rested, and you have to be part of that crew that that the, you have to be part of that crew. So be ready for that.
Manny:You you know be dressed in, you know, business casual, shaven, or whatever the company has you or the expectations based on the company you're jump seating. Alright? So that's the difference. Anyways, guys, man, as you can tell this episode has gone, woah, super long because I'm so fired up about this content. Tell me what you think.
Manny:If you agree with what I what I'm saying, if you disagree, let me know, but I feel like we're jumping on this woman for absolutely no reason right now and we're just taking sides on this guy that just is like, oh, so he goes a snitch. Oh, you know, snitches get stitches. Right? So anyways, I'm devil's advocate. Who knows?
Manny:Maybe she is a really horrible human being and, you know, we all need to crucify her. But I don't know, man. We don't know the story. Just the sound of this damn post just fires me up, man, because I've dealt with people like like that and it's just like, oh, it irks me. And it's like those are the same people that go yell at their cashiers or, you know, yell at service workers because they didn't get their ice in their cup.
Manny:I don't know. Anyways, maybe I'm just being overdramatic. Anyways, thank you so much guys. As I always say, keep growing, keep learning because good enough to earn a living may not be good enough to survive. Hey, fellow aviation enthusiast.
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